Episode 18
Water Meter Monitoring & End To End Solutions - Michail Angelov
Michail Angelov, founder of IoTNet.eu and former Nokia IoT leader, talks about transforming water utilities through LoRaWAN-based remote water meter monitoring systems.
With over 20 years in telecom and IoT, Michail shares how he co-founded Nokia’s Worldwide IoT Network Grid before pivoting into one of the most pressing infrastructure challenges of our time: water loss. His company, IoTNet.eu, now oversees over 40,000 connected water meters across Bulgaria, gathering millions of data points each month to drive efficient water distribution.
He explains how low-power wide-area networks (LPWANs), and LoRaWAN in particular, disrupted the sector by enabling real-time, battery-efficient communication in locations without constant power—like underground water meters. By turning what used to be expensive, inflexible infrastructure into a scalable, data-driven system, Michail’s work is redefining the economics and capabilities of water meter monitoring.
Why water utilities lose up to 70% of water between source and tap—and how IoT helps measure and recover those losses
How LoRaWAN became the foundation for a scalable remote water meter monitoring system
Lessons from building a nationwide IoT network and pivoting from connectivity to full-stack solutions
The role of Helium in reducing infrastructure costs and expanding coverage
Using AI and structured data to predict pipe failures, detect theft (“non-technical losses”), and optimize performance
How local integrators anywhere in the world can partner to deploy IoTNet’s proven water meter monitoring system
This episode is packed with real-world insight into solving high-stakes utility problems with scalable IoT systems.
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Transcript
Today's guest on
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:MeteoScientific's The Business of LoRaWAN
is Michail Angelov,
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:a seasoned telecom veteran
turned IoT entrepreneur who spent more
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:than two decades building networks, both
the technical kind and the business kind.
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:Michail began his career at Nokia,
where he spent 19 years helping shape
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:global telecom infrastructure
and co-founded the worldwide IoT
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:network Grid that many in the industry
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:recognize as one of Nokia's
boldest plays in IoT connectivity.
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:He holds multiple patents from his time
leading IoT
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:innovation and smart
lighting and connectivity platforms,
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:and has long been at the bleeding
edge of machine to machine communication.
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:What makes Michail especially relevant to
this audience
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:is his pivot from big telecom
to founding IoT network,
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:where he's solving very real,
very local problems, starting with water.
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:As he puts it after air water's
the next most essential thing.
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:And yet in many places, 40 to 70% of it
never makes it from the source to the tap.
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:That's a lot of loss.
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:Some from leaks,
some from theft, all from lack of data.
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:Michail's company now
manages over 40,000 connected water meters
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:across Bulgaria, using LoRaWAN to gather
millions of data points per month.
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:What began as a connectivity
play turned into a full stack
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:analytics business, driven by necessity
and the realization
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:that utilities didn't just want networks,
they wanted solutions.
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:In this episode, you'll hear
how IoT Net evolved, how they leveraged
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:the Helium network to scale
without overspending on infrastructure,
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:and how Michail sees the future of water
utilities not just as data
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:gatherers, but as AI powered systems
that can predict leaks,
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:prevent outages, and serve communities
more efficiently.
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:Let's dig in.
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:We are back with Michail from IoT network
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:EU and we've got a bunch of questions
for you about LoRaWAN, although it's
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:pretty interesting that you've been doing
this IoT thing for over 20 years.
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:So it's not like you just found this
and you're like, oh, I'll check this out.
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:Let's start with
when you're looking at IoT connectivity,
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:is there any kind of big problem
that you see out there that is unsolved,
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:or are all the problems
on the technical side for communications
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:more or less solved?
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:And now it's just implementation
and working the business side?
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:Yes. First,
thank you Nik for having me back
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:or let's say,
for having me in this context.
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:I do appreciate that
we're talking about tangible business
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:and things that everybody
can actually try and see with themselves.
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:And what brought me into the water
space is that water
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:is one of those funny things
that everybody needs to connect with.
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:I think without water,
you'd like quite soon, right after.
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:And I guess water is
the second most needed things.
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:Pretty important. Yeah.
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:Pretty important.
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:Also, water is nonrenewable.
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:This is funny, right?
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:So if you destroy a water supply
in an area, this is quite bad, right?
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:So what is actually quite an interesting
utility per se right.
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:You can probably generate
more electricity.
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:You know, you can probably add
you can clean it up a bit,
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:but the water disappears
from your environment.
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:It's difficult to bring it back.
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:And there have been some cases
in the world that even the rivers have.
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:The flow of the river has been turned
the other way around.
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:And this, of course, destroyed.
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:A lot of communities may be generated
in some other communities,
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:but in general, water is actually quite.
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:The interesting and exciting part
was that water
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:activities
were everything to do with flow.
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:It was the best use case
that they found for the low power.
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:Why that natural that I've been studying
probably for the last ten years now,
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:and why this was so?
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:Because this is actually one of the areas
which was probably most disrupted
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:by the proliferation
of the Internet of Things technologies,
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:because everything else
which has access to power,
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:all main type of power do you can
attach sensors and probably have access
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:to other type of connectivity technology
that uses the power.
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:And just to put it in context,
you could put the GSM model,
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:but just a model could use a lot of power.
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:So on the battery
it can survive limited time.
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:But the moment that you start to talk
about low power, wide area network,
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:then you can talk about use cases
that you don't have to visit
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:the device
to change the battery for five, ten years,
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:potentially even more
if you have photovoltaics.
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:And that's why the fluid management thing
to do with area
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:where you don't have electricity instance,
the power supply became possible.
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:And before that it was just not possible.
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:So that's why main water
meters, even water
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:meters, were never monitored centrally
because it was impossible to connect them.
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:You in a sustainable way,
meaning that you don't have to visit it
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:every year or every couple of months
because this is very expensive.
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:And the fact that you could connect
now, water meters and gas
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:and all kind of other central.
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:But let's stick to the water meter.
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:The fact you can connect
water meter with a sensor.
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:And this enables
stereotype collection of data from that.
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:The water meter in the sensors.
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:And then you can have
a sustainable use case
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:because it could always make
you have a service level agreement.
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:That means that this can last
for ten years on a traffic profile
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:that enables you to do audio use cases,
became a big enablement, and enabled means
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:that you could deliver a system,
you could actually maintain it,
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:and all the practice
would have that value.
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:So the utility would give you able access
the data.
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:The supplier or the system is regrettable.
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:However, actual business case
producers of devices could have a
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:reasonable profit margin.
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:So everybody along before the value chain
actually found the product market fit.
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:And this is what happened about ten
years ago with the mobile wider network.
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:So the first one that failed
miserably was Sigfox.
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:So it was not interested in that
because this was proprietary.
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:And then came LoRaWAN.
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:And the funny thing was that
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:it was even that open source
or basically open for everybody to use it.
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:Then regulators made the license available
and it just worked.
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:And that for me
was actually very exciting.
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:So that's why
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:I got started in the whole space and
how I started exploring all the options.
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:And ultimately that's
what the business is.
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:We can discuss in more detail
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:now, but I'll pause here because I was
just rambling from the first meeting.
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:Yeah. No, it's it's interesting.
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:And for folks that are listening,
you've got this background 19 years
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:at Nokia for Nokia, every reset Nokia.
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:And then you've invented a couple things
in the smart street lighting arena.
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:And then you running this business as IoT.
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:You all throughout Bulgaria,
not just Sofia
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:that is doing the smart water
metering piece.
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:So you've got this kind of business end,
you know, technician nerd background, so
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:you understand kind of how the things work
and then how the, the business works.
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:Yes. One of the big things with an IoT
businesses, it's a lot of us nerds
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:who are really excited
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:about getting something to work,
but not so good at getting the business.
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:Can you walk me through
how you get new business?
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:Do you?
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:I mean,
are you walking into City Hall and saying,
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:hey, I've got this cool water meter thing?
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:Is it all relationships with people
you already knew in Sofia
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:because you're Bulgarian?
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:Yeah.
One of the ways you get new business.
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:Yeah. Good point.
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:So actually, the journey of my journey
in the IoT in it,
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:of course, is a, it's a classical journey
of a startup, right.
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:You actually have an idea
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:and you start with something,
and then you get people to where you found
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:product market fit.
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:So the story of IoT, net was that
I knew that there is a market niche
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:that lies in the fact
that you can create a nationwide
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:communication network
dedicated to Internet of Things devices
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:without having the full cost burden
which traditional mobile networks get.
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:And that's the story of disruption,
because you could use unlicensed spectrum,
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:you could use very low cost equipment
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:because the equipment is small
and the spectrum is free.
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:You could use different type of permits
to be able to install the equipment,
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:and then you could have
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:a completely different cost base,
not like in telecom cost base,
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:but which is like enterprise
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:or almost like Wi-Fi type of cost base
to maintain the equipment.
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:And this got the stinking.
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:So together with the co-founder that
why don't we do this for the first time?
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:We actually do the whole central East
Europe
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:and establish
a nationwide network in Bulgaria.
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:And then we were thinking this wow, it's
so compelling,
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:the offer that the horse everybody
will buy, you know, connectivity from us.
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:You know, there's just no question there.
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:And of course, what happens
is that the one
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:market beats you, beat you to the punch.
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:Then you have to change your mind.
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:So everybody has a plan
until they punch in the face.
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:Quote from Mike Tyson. Right. So yeah.
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:Yeah, I mean we had a plan,
but then it didn't work out
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:because nobody was interested
to buy only the connectivity
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:even though they understood the value.
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:But enterprises, especially utilities
or any other that we talked about,
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:were not interested
to just buy connectivity and to do the
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:heavy integration themselves.
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:So actually up to a couple of the attempts
and basically more than a year
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:or so in just doing connectivity,
realize that this is not enough.
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:And we had to provide an end
to end solution business in segment
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:that there is a paying customer,
not just the hobby, because.
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:So in the IoT space, internet of things,
you can spend all your productive time
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:just doing proof of concept,
a paid, non-paid or hobby type of work.
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:And a lot of that
most of time has been finished there.
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that pays the bills and creates value.
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from just providing
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:connectivity, blanket
and waiting for customers to come.
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:Then we identify the tail.
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:Let's focus on this segment of the world,
the utility,
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:because that is a good fit of product
to the requirement.
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:a good interruption in the status quo
that this is needed and this is required.
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:And we did a couple of tests
with last actually four months.
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with the ecosystem,
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of the water meters, with the
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:integration part not associated
with the actual customers themselves.
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:And this is how we start the.
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:So from
just providing a lot of connectivity,
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:then we pivot to towards
providing end to end solutions
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:for the whole water utility sector
or just problems of the water beginning.
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:And I think that's something to remember
for everybody.
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:So don't just think about
the so-called technology.
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:So where this technology will fit
and find the paying customer
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:because otherwise it's not business,
you just hobby, which is still okay.
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:Right?
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:I mean, people like to do hobbies,
but this would not be a business.
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this worldwide IoT network grid.
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a connectivity network that was global.
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this one specific problem,
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they're not going to use my connectivity.
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:They want.
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:The whole thing done for them
was there an initial like numbers pitch?
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:You know, if you put in this $300 water
meter sensor,
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:you're going to save $400
over the course of the next two years.
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:Or how did you
how did you present that piece of it?
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:Yeah.
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:So actually, the customer had a quite
good understanding why
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:they need to do it in Bulgaria,
like most of the places in the world,
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:typically the utilities
owned by the municipality.
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:So which is of course
a public entity in some places
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:it's public and private owned
because typically private entity
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:has more ambition to develop new services,
invest more.
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:While of course
municipalities have a certain restrictions
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to actually follow the requirements.
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in, the primary use case
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:was not for the consumer to water meters,
but for the so called main water meters.
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:So the water meters
connecting the main building or a major
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or major enterprise customers.
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:But imagine if you talk about
any kind of industrial complex,
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:or if you talk about a skyscraper
like in New York, or if you talk about
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:any type of condominium.
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:So you typically have a main water meter
in the basement
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water for the whole building.
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:in this particular regulation
is owned by the water utility company.
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:And this is the one that they wanted
to have it remotely measured because
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:they see that some of those customers
have extra high consumption
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for the type of customer that they are.
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:I mean, it's quite unusual
if a big production facility
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:or a big block of flats
have a very low consumption, right?
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:Something is wrong.
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there is to identify
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and what is the reason for that.
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reason is a so-called non-technical loss.
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:Non-technical losses is a funny way to say
that, you know, a lot of us
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and actually water
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:utility is one of those spaces
that when ordinary.
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:So when people think about it,
they never realize that in average, 40
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:to 70% of the water is actually lost
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:from the source, from the water reservoir
to the actual destination.
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:Or some markets can go down to 15%,
but 15 to 17 is typically what happens.
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:And this is not only tax, right.
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:also somewhere leaking or or something
not being accounted for and so forth.
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understand it is to start measuring it.
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:it's quite clear that
why in a certain closed loop, you know,
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:a pot of water, that you have a main water
meter into all the seven meters.
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:I mean, this should match right?
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:If something doesn't match me,
that something is somewhere wrong.
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:And the value, of course, for the water
utilities, actually they don't care
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they're still going to give the bill
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:So I mean, what opportunities
like the bank, it never loses,
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is the extra power
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or to distribute the water.
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in the water utilities space.
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for external services like power supply.
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:And they want to recover
some of that volume being shared among the
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:So basically what is the water going.
What is happening.
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there is all the other use cases that
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:if you have pumping stations,
you need to monitor the pressure
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:and the flow of the pumping station
need to be able to adjust it
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:so that it actually goes in certain
thresholds.
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:Right?
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:Because if it's above the threshold,
the pressure is too high,
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:so it may burst, the pipe is too loud
and there is not enough pressure.
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:So you have to manage that
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that not just art
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which are much more details of how
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of whose cover system typically.
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is that you can actually implement sensors
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or very expensive to put sensors.
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the low power why that actually hit.
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an interesting match.
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:You see now I use cases
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to build or building your own network.
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:That wasn't something new to you.
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for your entire career.
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:And then you saw Helium and you said, oh,
maybe we can use this as well.
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most of the service area that you have.
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can you walk me through that piece of it?
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of course, the idea
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benefit and also to have the full control.
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a lot of, gateways where we had
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at least
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too much noise in the network increasing.
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especially during the joint procedure.
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what the hell is happening?
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:And then we start to hearing from
some landlord, oh, you're here, mining.
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:mining.
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:And then,
I realized that I check that out
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:because I had some experience with it
mining myself.
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:Running some Gpio, ATX input, 2016,
you know, some other X5 80s.
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but then they didn't know
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wireless or like what is happening here.
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that you could build the biggest
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type of a network around the world.
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and you can provide the real service
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without investing in implementation
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without investing in maintenance services.
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with every single installation.
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because it was tried before, right?
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:The things network was exactly like this.
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community network and yep, nothing, right?
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:It has been there for years.
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and out of nowhere, manages
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in a couple of years, even less.
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:And then at some point, they even destroy
the whole global supply chain.
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:The following up on gateways.
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because it.
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:Oh, this is not just
pumping Helium miners.
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:And it's like crazy.
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:But the good part of the craziness
is that when the network
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especially now, I guess in Sofia,
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:we could have at some point
a couple of thousand gateways
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:active and you will get it
with like tens of thousands.
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:And if you have to think
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:that you have to invest, thousand euros
for an enterprise grade gateways,
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:and you get to put a couple hundred euros
for installation,
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per year for maintenance.
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:If you have to put ourself
this tens of thousands
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:of gate goes across, we will get a
this would have been cost prohibitive.
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:Right.
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:And to make it even sweeter,
I mean in the beginning
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:the cerium connectivity was very,
very cheap.
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:So very cheap mes didn't make any sense
from any kind of economics
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how the connectivity
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:if you was paying the cost,
but still it was there.
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:And after some tests that we ran out,
we realized that,
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:wow, the places that we lack coverage,
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:we can actually migrate some of our device
to use Helium, then extending
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coverage there and then we can use
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:Helium was a fantastic capacity question
and as a, as an extension of our coverage.
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then it works quite well,
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that we need to build very strong
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between networks to make sure that,
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:if a single miner goes down or something
happens in the future,
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:we can still have a capability
to deliver services to our customers.
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:This show,
of course, is sponsored by Helium,
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:although I wanted to make sure
it was a LoRaWAN first show.
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:But definitely
one of the concerns I hear about Helium is
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:how do I make sure the connectivity stays
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:where it is,
and that some homeowner doesn't
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:turn their gateway off
or move or whatever.
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:But it sounds like with the background
you've got on the telco
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:side, that's not a particularly difficult
problem for you to solve.
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:As far as like, all right, if the sensor
doesn't get Helium connectivity, cool.
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:I'll provide it some other way,
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:whether that's with another LoRaWAN or LTE
or how are you doing it now?
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and we have a separate awareness
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we take care of, switching
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One of them is not available.
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:Then I think that's probably
a good way to do it.
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:So yeah.
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:Yeah, I mean it's
fantastic to have the redundancy.
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:And then what's you've built
that this network across Bulgaria
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Is there a number of sensors.
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:I think you said you start off
with 30 gateways,
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:but certainly that's not enough
to cover the whole thing.
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:We have much more gateways ourselves.
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:So we have more than 200
fully operational.
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:We switch gateways when we have to switch.
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:And then how many water meters
is a couple thousand, right.
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:No, we have more than 40,000.
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:40,000 okay.
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:So it's a legit this is not like
a pilot project where like hey this works.
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:And I got five paying.
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:Yeah.
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:I mean
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:we became the first enterprise customer
for Helium in Europe with this network.
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:So I mean, it
probably shows the volume here.
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:And when you get to migrate
because they discontinued
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:doing this last year,
it was quite the painful exercise.
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:Yeah.
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:To make sure that all these centers
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:are migrated
without discontinuation of service.
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:So I mean, luckily it was possible
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:maybe not luckily, but good
that they designed it to be possible.
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:But this is a concern.
So I love the service.
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:I don't like
the uncertainty of the service.
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:I still believe this is a great way
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:to create networks
to use the, community capability.
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:Yes, in the interest of community
to maintaining to and to make this happen.
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:And I think, LoRaWAN is probably the best
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:technology to enable this to happen
globally because it is globally available.
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:Right?
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:So I do
I mean, I do want to encourage everybody
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:to keep the Helium IoT in mind
that up and running,
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:because it is creating real value
and it is helping solve real issues.
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:So please keep on running,
especially in Bulgaria.
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:Right?
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:Yeah. Well, I can especially. Yes, sir.
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:And then what's next for you in the
in the world of IoT and LoRaWAN,
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:are you going to go back
to these customers
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:you already have and say,
hey, let's put some more sensors in.
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:What do you see in the future of
of the IoT net company? Yes.
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:We want to continue to be the
the leader in the not just the automated
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:meter reading as it's called the EMR,
but also the analytics.
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:Because now in the age of AI,
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:you already have data for six years
and counting, right?
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:And you can imagine
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:this is a lot of contextual data that we
can already create value for our customer.
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:So actually that's why we are
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:thinking ourself as water analytics,
not just the EMR type of system.
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:Oh interesting. I want to make sure I we
we pause a little bit on that.
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:So you're seeing what I, I kind of
suspected as an outsider non-technical
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:person.
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:Is that because you've got
all of these data points,
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:you can now start feeding them into an
AI and say, hey, what?
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:What else can we learn?
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:Is that the kind of broad strokes idea
here, or am I missing
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:missing something important?
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:I mean, yeah, our data is structured
data, right?
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:It's already has labels.
She already has context.
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:So what better than to use the AI system
to make even more data?
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:Because typically,
and most likely the biggest issue
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:of any water utilities, that one
is something going to go wrong. So
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:by analyzing water
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:flow, we can detect other type
of technical parameters in the network.
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:And most like we can even predict
when an accident
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:or incident is going to happen,
or even when technical loss is not.
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:Technical losses will be there.
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:So and this could be a lot of money saved
and a lot of services being delivered.
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:I mean, community state
when there is a water burst
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:somewhere or pipe burst
and they're left without water. Right.
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:So that's actually
something quite interesting.
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:The we began to
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:and if you ask me what you want to do,
so you're going to continue providing
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:services. You will get you.
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:Of course, we also are expanding
or we have capability to do also different
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:type of water analytics, not
just for the utilities but also for open.
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:That's like rivers, like reservoirs,
water reservoirs and so forth.
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:And then of course
we would love to discuss with any,
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:any potential integrator
or the Helium community
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:how we can bring this part
of this technology in the world.
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:So, I mean, the whole system is replicable
now with the Helium connectivity.
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:We just
we don't need to do anything local, right?
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:We can just ship the sensor.
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:They can deliver a cloud
across the software.
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:And, local system integrator
can just go into the sale, potentially
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:do the replicate what you have done
anywhere else in the world.
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:And I think that's the biggest
and the most interesting part
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:that they see in the collaboration
with the Helium community.
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:So let's just take it, I mean, happy to
to connect to any local integrator
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:that may need to have this system meant
to make it happen in your local community.
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:Oh, nice.
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:So someone listening to this,
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:that is running a small or whatever IoT
business in their area
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:might hear this and say, cool,
this guy's got basically like a business
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:in a box
that I can take to my local city, unpack.
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:And I already know the sensors work.
I already know the system works.
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:Maybe I do some field testing
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:to check signal in my area
and deploy extra gateways as needed,
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:but more or less the
the single biggest obstacle
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:for this particular business
model will be the connection
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:with the the local government officials
will say yes or no.
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:The local water officials will say yes
or no to the to this,
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:but it sounds like the numbers are there
where you can
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:you can show them, hey, when you do this,
this is how much you save
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:from theft or from from whatever from
I like the non-technical sources.
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:That's good.
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:That's a non-technical.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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:I mean, talking about community
stats will be the best way to help from.
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:Right.
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:So let's connect
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:I think the the challenge is
of course to to have the relationship
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:with the local municipality
that they can trust you, but
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:to deliver the job, but without references
and with somebody potentially locally
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:having access to any other type of segment
or even just deploying a gateway, right?
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:They can say, yeah,
we have done this and we have this partner
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:that can deliver this technology
and we are the local integrator.
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:So we are with the system to choke.
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:And of course the the cost proposition
is there all the benefits.
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:Right.
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:Because we can deliver anything
that the it runs of the world, the land
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:and gear or whoever of the big guys
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:can deliver at a fraction of the cost,
which ultimately benefits the
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:you as a community. Right?
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:Because if you are using your water,
which typically you should be,
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:you're part of it. Why should you pay?
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:Like why should the cost
be extraordinarily high?
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:The typical,
you know, proprietary system,
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:if you can even make the whole thing
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:or another as a service
for the community by the community. So.
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:Okay, almost sounds too political here,
but yeah, it's good.
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:It's it's super cool.
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:And I think it's a nice call to action
at the end of this.
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:Michail, I know you're super busy.
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:You've got a couple companies
you're running.
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:I really appreciate you coming on
and taking the time
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:to share parts of your LoRaWAN journey
and experience with us.
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:Thanks, man. Thanks Nik, appreciate it.
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:That's it for
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:this episode of The Business of LoRaWAN.
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who actually has an interest
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:Of course, this isn't just about you
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:LoRaWAN is a dispersed community
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