Episode 24

The Swiss Way - Liliane Paradise with Miromico

Liliane Paradise, COO of Miromico, talks about building industrial-grade LoRaWAN devices with Swiss precision, pioneering battery-free sensor systems, and the business case for hybrid battery configurations in critical environments. She shares how Miromico approaches product development from concept to mass production, prioritizing modularity, testability, and long-term sustainability.

  • Explains why gateways are the most critical—and often overlooked—component in a LoRaWAN networ
  • Breaks down the design philosophy behind Miromico’s modular gateway platform that supports LoRaWAN, BLE, Wi-Fi, and Mioty
  • Highlights the business drivers for deploying energy harvesting sensors in schools, hospitals, and office buildings
  • Details how Miromico launched the Mirror Inside Lux sensor, a fully battery-free device powered by indoor light with a 60-day supercapacitor backup
  • Discusses the limitations of energy harvesting in critical use cases and why hybrid battery systems are the practical path forward
  • Walks through Miromico’s product development lifecycle, from fast POC builds to customer-validated MVPs and scalable manufacturing
  • Shares how design for testability and manufacturability saves cost during production—every screw, every second matters
  • Explores the role of interoperability and standardization in reducing IoT deployment costs
  • Explains how the European Cyber Resilience Act will impact IoT device security and reshape manufacturing timelines
  • Offers insights into the complementary roles of LoRaWAN and Mioty in building future LPWAN solutions

Links:

Liliane on LinkedIn

Miromico website

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Transcript
Speaker:

Today's guest on

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MeteoScientific's The Business of LoRaWAN

is Liliane Paradise, CEO of Miromico

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Liliane leads

one of the most technically advanced IoT

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hardware teams in Europe, where

she's guiding the development of rugged,

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modular gateways and pioneering

ultra low power sensor systems,

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some even fully battery free,

from proof of concept mass production.

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She oversees the entire arc of building

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industrial grade LoRaWAN solutions

with Swiss level precision.

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Before stepping into executive leadership,

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she earned her chops

as a hands on hardware engineer, helping

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build Miromico's earliest LoRa devices

before the LoRaWAN spec even existed.

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That depth shows

whether it's pushing energy

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harvesting into real world deployments

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or designing every product for testability

and manufacturing from day one.

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She's making hard technical decisions

with clear business outcomes.

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In this conversation, we cover the promise

and tradeoffs of battery free IoT.

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The practical realities of hybrid

power systems, and why cybersecurity

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and interoperability will drive

the next phase of help you in growth.

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We also got into Mioty,

Miromico's manufacturing philosophy,

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and how they use early customer feedback

to validate value, not just functionality.

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This episode is sponsored by the Helium

Foundation's IoT Working Group.

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Helium offers global LoRaWAN coverage

and is used by everyone

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from hobbyists to businesses

deploying country wide networks.

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If you'd like to see if Helium

coverage exists near you,

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check out the links in the show notes

to get started using Helium today.

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You can sign up for a console account

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with MeteoScientific

at console.meteoscientific.com.

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Now let's dig into the conversation

with Lilian Paradise.

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Lilian, welcome to the show.

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Thanks for coming on. Welcome.

Thanks for the invite.

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Super thrilled to be here.

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Super psyched to have you on.

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I think Robert Bogs had recommended

you come on.

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And you and I have been talking

for a hot minute.

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Looking into your background, I guess

I've got to start with this obsession

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with RF.

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Like you're super psyched on radio stuff.

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What drives that? Yeah.

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So we at Miromico We're actually coming

from a background of IC design.

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But from where we branched out to embedded

because our CTO Alex Raymond,

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he always had an obsession with RF.

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And actually we were doing LoRa before

there was even a LoRaWAN standard.

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So we were always really one of the first

to fiddle

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around with antennas

and with RF and with new protocols.

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For example, one of our first LoRa project

that was even before

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there was a LoRaWAN standard, was to build

remote controls for racing drones.

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Okay, that was all on LoRa.

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I kind of can't imagine

that has a ton of bandwidth.

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So those things must just get go left,

go right, go off, go down,

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go faster, go slower.

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Like, actually,

you could get the latency down if you do.

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LoRa.

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Just the just the modulation

and not the LoRaWAN protocol on top.

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Okay.

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Of course if you have LoRaWAN,

you have to delays from the window timing,

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but you can get a lot

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of more bandwidth through if you just use

the LoRa as a physical modulation.

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And the beauty

is compared to other technologies,

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you get a hell of a lot of range.

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You get all these kilometers

like penetration in a rural environment.

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So that's the beauty

about the LoRa modulation.

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And it's not tied.

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I mean, the LoRaWAN is great, but

the beauty is that it's not tied to it.

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You can use it

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separately and build really, really cool

solutions based on own protocols.

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Yeah. And that's

where we're really, really strong.

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Yeah.

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And I think we're seeing that

in the kind of wider LoRa world

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with the rise of Meshtastic

and then the Loko tracker, stuff

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like that,

where people are just saying, hey,

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we're just gonna use LoRa

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when I'm going to get into the LoRaWAN.

And of course, there's,

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you know, different solutions

for different problems.

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Is there a favorite LoRaWAN device

that you have?

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Is there something that you've worked on

over the years?

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You're like, oh, this is awesome.

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Well, on one hand,

of course, it's our gateways.

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We put a lot of love and effort

and passion in our gateways, worked on

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getting them as rugged as possible

and as versatile as possible.

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What does that mean in practice?

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Our philosophy is always to keep

our products modular.

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Modular, meaning that now

we have a LoRaWAN gateway, but we built it

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in such a modular way

that it was really easy and simple for us

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to build a Mioty gateway,

which is a new, also awesome

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LPWAN technology

that came up a few years ago

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and is starting to get really popular

and that's not the limit.

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We can build a gateway out of it.

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We have Wi-Fi support on it,

so that's for sure.

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One of the products that I personally

really love and have a passion for.

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It might sound a bit weird because

the gateway is always in the background.

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It's invisible,

but think about it if the gateway fails,

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then you can have all the fancy sensors

you want.

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It just doesn't work.

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So it's the silent but very,

very necessary part of every network.

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And it's the one part that cannot fail,

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and the one part that must be secure.

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Yeah. Okay.

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We'll hit some security stuff later,

because I saw reading up on you

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that you're into the security piece.

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But let's pause for a second

on this Mioty piece.

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I'm hearing a bunch about it.

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Obviously it's not LoRaWAN,

but it's important to not kind of ignore

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that competition out there

or the other solutions out there.

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Give me a perspective on LoRaWAN, Mioty,

kind of what they are doing

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that you're excited about.

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So the main difference from a

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technical perspective is that LoRaWAN,

of course, they use the LoRa modulation,

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which gives great range, but they

you basically send out the package

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or your whole payload message

as one package.

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And when you have an interference,

you lose your whole message.

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And that's where Mioty comes in.

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They have the so-called TSMA telegram

split in multiple access technology,

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where they split the telegrams

into small sub packets

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and then they spread them over time,

but also over frequency.

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So you're very, very narrow.

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You're somewhere around 3

kHz in bandwidth.

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And that's just in a probabilistic

calculation.

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You're much,

much less likely to have collisions.

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Plus on Mioty you also have higher forward

error correction,

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which then in turn

means that you can still,

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even though it's not that probable,

you can still lose a few of your packets.

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Actually, to be technically correct,

you can lose up to 50% of your self

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packets

and still restore your original telegram.

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And our experiments have shown.

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So we have on a local cell tower

in Zurich,

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close to our office,

we installed a gateway roughly a year ago.

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That's actually almost an anniversary

year, and I have some sensors registered

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there and I didn't lose a single packet,

so that's quite impressive.

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Yeah. That's pretty.

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It reminds me a little bit of Telemacho

was on over at EchoStar.

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Was telling me about this. What is it?

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LRFSS the long range frequency,

something spread spectrum.

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The same kind of thing.

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Is that right?

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Yes. It goes in a very similar direction.

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It's not 1 to 1 the same.

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And actually there are some interesting

study studies were conducted by TU Ilminal

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that compare the two,

they have quite a similar concept behind.

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That's true okay.

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Yeah I'm not the most technological guy.

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So I guess that's probably

as much as I can understand.

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But it's good to hear that

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my understanding of it is good enough

that they're similar.

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Okay, so that's LoRaWAN, Mioty stuff.

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Let's talk a little bit about something

I know you're psyched on, which is this

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energy harvesting and the push

either to battery free or hybrid battery.

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How are you thinking about that

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for LoRaWAN devices

and what are the implications.

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Yeah.

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So maybe let's start

with a little bit of a background.

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During Covid, we started to deploy

large numbers of ambient sensors.

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So they measure temperature humidity

but mostly also CO2

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in order to ensure the well-being

in offices, hospitals, schools.

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And back then, people were thrilled

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because we can promise battery

life times up to ten years.

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That was five years ago, roughly.

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And now, of course, the ten years are,

if you're lucky, with SF7

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and now some of the first sensors

that might be in a not so good

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location RF wise, far away from a gateway,

they start to deplete and people

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start to realize

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that it will be a huge operational effort

to replace all these batteries.

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And that's one aspect.

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And then the second aspect for sure

is the trash

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and the toxic waste

that you are producing.

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And that's why not just we as a company,

but I think also the European Union,

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of course, Switzerland is not part of it,

but we try to move with them.

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We'll have directives

on how many batteries you can use

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or if you're even allowed

to use primary batteries.

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So I think for every IoT company,

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it will be critical to bring out energy

harvesting solutions.

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And that's what we did.

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We already successfully brought our Miro

Insight Lux to the market,

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which is completely battery

free and offers all the benefits

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our battery powered sensors have so

all the sensors can be supported.

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And of course we have a secondary backup

storage there.

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We have a supercapacitor,

which is more environmentally friendly

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than the primary battery would be,

and it helps to make it through

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not just one night, but up to 60 nights

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or 60 full days,

to be precise, without recharging.

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So that's a that's quite impressive

where technology has led us.

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And that's of course,

thanks to protocols like LoRaWAN and Mioty

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and also the chip manufacturers,

which really brought down

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the energy consumption of the MCU, sent

the sensors really, really low.

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Yeah. Interesting.

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And then talk me through this idea

of going battery free versus a hybrid.

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And what is kind of marketing hype

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and what is practical and then where

it might go in the long term.

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So as we see on LinkedIn

and basically on every platform,

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every magazine

everyone wants to go completely battery

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free, which is understandable

from a sustainability perspective.

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But in reality, we see, okay,

if the sensor measurement is completely

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uncritical and it's a nice to have,

then battery free is the way to go.

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But in many cases, the monitoring is more

than just a nice to have.

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In some cases,

companies must comply with CO2 levels

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or they want to monitor,

for example, the state.

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Of course,

that shouldn't be open for too long.

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They need to send out alerts.

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Let's say in pharma industry

you have a cold room.

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If the door is open for too long,

all these medications go bad.

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And in that case,

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you cannot risk having an outage

because you didn't get light for too long.

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And in that case, hybrid systems

will be really, really important.

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What does that mean?

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A hybrid system means

we still have a primary battery in there,

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but we extend the battery life time

by the means of energy harvesting.

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Got it, okay.

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So it's

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this thing where it's like, hey, energy

harvesting and battery free sounds good.

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But for right now

let's make sure we have a decent backup.

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So if you have a critical sensor, you're

still going to get your information.

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Yes, yes.

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I think that especially in industrial

settings, it will be critical to have like

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these hybrid systems because we're talking

about dirty environment.

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We cannot guarantee that the solar cell

or the whatever

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the harvesting technology

you're using is always operational.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

I can get behind that.

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And as fun as the energy harvesting is,

it does make sense.

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Like, hey,

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let's make sure this thing

continues to work,

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even if it has a cool

looking screen on the front.

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Yeah, exactly.

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All right.

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So MIromico,

you've brought a bunch of new stuff.

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You kind of watch a bunch of devices go

from concept to, you know, in your hand.

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Can you walk me through the arc of what

that looks like

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as far as, like, how does that happen?

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And what do you have to think of as you're

going through that arc?

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Yeah, hundred percent.

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So maybe to start with

we are 100% the customer driven company.

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So usually an idea starts together

with a vision, a vision

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very often from a customer or a partner.

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And from that vision we we try to build

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a posse proof of concept very fast.

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And then once you have a proof of concept,

what we will want to do is to

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kind of have a proof of value,

which sounds fancy, but in the end

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means we don't need to show anymore

that we can build it.

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We want to show that we can actually add

value to our customers.

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That means in practice,

we will send out these POC devices

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to our Alpha or beta customers

and see what value can they actually gain,

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and can we keep the promise

that we're giving to our customers.

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So that will be the very first step,

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which we basically call technology

and value evaluation.

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And from there we usually go through

2 to 3 phases in the product development.

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It starts with the so-called MVP.

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It's not most valuable person.

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It stands for Minimum Viable product,

which is a product that already

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looks like a product has,

let's say, 80 to 90% of the functional.

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It should, but it's not fully certified.

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And with that product,

that minimum viable product,

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we will hit the market in a better state.

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And we will,

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depending on the device, deploy a few

hundreds to thousands of these devices.

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And this way we can gather the data

and get the feedback

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from our customers

and put it into the final product.

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And then the second stage

will be the field testing improvements,

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where we do all the pre certifications,

we do all the quality control.

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So we ensure that all the environmental

conditions can be dealt with and so on.

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And then the output of that phase will be

a ready to be industrialized device.

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And industrialization is then

usually the set up for mass production.

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Because at Miromico we don't do, “oh

we test one device

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and then we ship out the thousand”,

At Miromico we really value our quality.

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So every single device

will be end to end tested.

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And of course that takes some time

to set up the whole production facilities.

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That's

a very Swiss way of doing things like,

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we want this thing to be perfect

or it's going to be like a clock.

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Yes, it has to be.

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That's the promise

we give to our customers.

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I mean, there are competitors

on the market that might offer it

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for a lower price,

but we really value our quality

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and actually a lot of our devices are end

to end, assembled in Switzerland itself.

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Wow. That's pretty cool.

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Yeah, that's an unusual

it's pretty unusual, I know.

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And a part of

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it is also social responsibility,

not just for the environment.

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Of course, we like to have a value chain

that's concentrated in the region,

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but also we work very closely

with a partner that hires people

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with certain backgrounds of mental

disability and physical disabilities.

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And that way it's a nice social engagement

as well.

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And the Swiss

and the Euros are so nice, Americans...

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I was thinking

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when when you're talking about batteries

like, oh, we have to have batteries,

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like America

is going to go find another planet

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and the euros are like, hey,

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we should actually just stay on this one

to take care of this one.

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This one is nice.

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We like to why should we trash it?

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Yeah, there's. Yeah, there's no good

reason.

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Let's see.

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So this sounds like a pretty expensive

way of doing things.

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What are the biggest cost drivers with

I guess IoT devices

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and then IoT deployment.

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So I would say on the device level to,

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to ensure the quality

that's a big cost driver especially. So.

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So the components, the components

you can buy and the components you buy

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in very similar conditions

everywhere in the world.

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If you have basic set of like negotiation

skills, I would say.

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So what really makes the difference is

where do you assemble your devices?

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And of course, how efficiently

do you assemble the device.

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So as I said,

we assemble our devices in Switzerland.

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So in that perspective,

we're more expensive

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than if we would do it, maybe in some

other geographical region of the world.

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So the way we optimize

is that we try to make the devices

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as easy to assemble as possible,

so we cut the time

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rather than the employee or stuff cost.

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Oh it's interesting.

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So you're building with more

than just the end result in mind.

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It's also the process is included

in how you're designing it.

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I think an important keyword

there is design for testability

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and for manufacturability,

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which means that we learned every screw

will cost you a few seconds in production.

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So whenever you can have a clipping

where you can save the screwdriver,

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that already saves

you few seconds the same.

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If you can go for a fully automated test

rig that will save you more time than if

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someone has to be there and plug something

in and observe a screen sequentially.

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And that's where we start in

the very early design phase that we have

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these thoughts

how we will industrialize the product,

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not just in the very end,

but at the beginning of the design cycle.

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It sounds like very, Japanese car

manufacturing philosophy.

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It was like,

hey, we're going to think about

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this whole thing

and constantly improve it.

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The Kaizen stuff and the Deming stuff.

Okay.

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Super cool.

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Let's see.

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Let's finish up on this idea

of what you see

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coming down the pipe next in LoRaWAN

that you're super excited about.

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And maybe it's LPWAN

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and I know you're psyched

in this Mioty stuff,

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but what do you see in the next year

to five years that you you're.

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Yeah you're pumped on. Yeah.

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But on one hand, as you already said,

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I think the multi technology

approach will become really big.

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Not because.

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So we at Miromico

we are a technology provider.

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We're not saying LoRaWAN versus

Mioty one is better than the other.

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But I think the diversity

will become really really important.

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Also, there is no technology

that fits every single use case.

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So having a variety of technologies

to choose from

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and having them interoperable

will be the next big thing.

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So also standardization

between technologies but also between

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device vendors will be a really big thing

that will drive deployments.

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And we're asking about deployment costs.

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And I think that's one big issue

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that you buy from different vendors,

and the devices are not interoperable,

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and you will spend a lot of time to build

your device models in your back end.

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That's that's a huge thing.

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And then of course, the other huge thing

that will come up that we are not so happy

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about as a device manufacturer,

but that will be super, super important,

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is the European Cyber Resilience Act,

which will ensure that

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device,

especially gateways, are more secure.

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I mean, the whole point of the initiative

is to secure public infrastructure,

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and I think that will change

how IoT devices are built, as well.

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Do you think that the European

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manufacturers will fall behind

in the global marketplace because of that?

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Or do you think you'll come out ahead

or what it would

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or the implications

for the euros on that side?

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I think it will

perhaps push us back a bit for,

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let's say, 1 to 2 years,

because let's be honest, cybersecurity is,

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if I may say so, a little bit of a pain

in the sense of you need to do

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a lot of pen tests and so on and so on

to ensure that you're actually secure.

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But cybersecurity is a global topic,

so maybe it will put us behind for a year.

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But then once the rest of the world

will come up with similar initiatives,

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we will be ahead

and we will have everything ready,

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and then it will shift over.

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Yeah,

well fingers crossed. Come to California.

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We move fast around here here.

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We're a little less safe

but we’re pretty fast.

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Let's see.

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Do you think that AI will just solve

this interoperability problem?

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That that's what it seems like

to me is like a non technologist

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is we're just going to apply the,

you know, robot brains to this thing and

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and that'll fix it.

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Or is that wishful thinking here.

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I think that the idea behind it

or the direction is smart

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or it can solve a huge part of it.

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I mean, we already see it with ChatGPT.

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I can put in like a bunch of payload

decoder and say, build me

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a unified device model.

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So it will aid for sure.

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But at least from my perspective,

you still need

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to be a good prompt engineer

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to tell the artificial intelligence

what you want from it.

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Okay,

so I think it's part of the solution,

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but there still need to be

some brain power, some actual human based

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brain power behind

to see what we want to get out of it.

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Because otherwise

everyone builds their own standard.

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And if everyone has a standard, it's

not a standard, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, that still comes down

to, coding is easy, thinking is hard.

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That's how the world works.

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Exactly. Ripping.

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Well, Lillian,

thanks for making the time to come on.

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I know you're super busy

running Miromico over there and crushing,

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so I appreciate you making the time to

come on. Thank you so much.

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That's it for

this episode of The Business of LoRaWAN.

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I built this for you.

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So whether you're a business owner,

a LoRaWAN professional, or a hobbyist,

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the intent is to give you great LoRaWAN

information.

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Of course,

the best information doesn't come from me.

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It comes from the conversations

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we have with the people building

and deploying this tech in the real world.

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And that's where you come in.

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LoRaWAN is a global

patchwork of talent and ideas.

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And ironically,

for a globally connected network,

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most of the brilliant folks

working on it are connected yet.

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Help me change that.

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Introduce me

to someone awesome in your network,

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someone doing meaningful work

and laureate work.

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Just shoot me an email.

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so we can share their work with the world.

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I'm Nik Hawks,

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