Episode 40

Meshtastic vs. LoRaWAN: Choosing the Right Tool at Scale - Matthew Patrick

Dr. Matthew Patrick, physicist, data scientist, and Helium ecosystem contributor, talks about why Meshtastic and LoRaWAN are often misunderstood as competing technologies—and why that framing misses the point. Drawing from his work in space physics, high-altitude ballooning, and large-scale LoRaWAN deployments, Matthew explains how similar radio hardware can support very different network architectures and business outcomes.

The conversation starts with a clear, practical comparison between Meshtastic and LoRaWAN, focusing on what each system was designed to do. Meshtastic’s mesh-based approach excels at small, infrastructure-free group communication, while LoRaWAN’s gateway model is built for industrial-scale deployments involving hundreds or thousands of low-power devices. Matthew breaks down the tradeoffs around battery life, network capacity, reliability, and operational complexity, grounding the discussion in real deployment scenarios rather than theory.

From there, the discussion moves into where these technologies can overlap in productive ways. Matthew outlines how Meshtastic can act as an intermediary layer in hard-to-reach environments, relaying sensor data to LoRaWAN gateways when traditional coverage isn’t available. He also explores longer-term opportunities, including LoRa-based satellite and stratospheric platforms, and how distributed ground networks could support future space-adjacent IoT use cases.

Throughout the episode, Matthew brings a clear systems-level perspective, emphasizing that successful IoT deployments depend on matching the right technology to the problem being solved. The result is a grounded, experience-driven look at how LoRa-based technologies fit into real-world business, research, and infrastructure decisions.

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Transcript
Speaker:

Today's guest on

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MeteoScientific's The Business of LoRaWAN

is Doctor Matthew Patrick,

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a physicist, data scientist and long time

contributor to the Helium ecosystem,

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whose work spans LoRaWAN, Meshtastic

and some truly unconventional deployments,

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including high altitude balloons

and experimental satellite concepts.

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In this conversation,

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we dig into a question that comes up more

and more in the community.

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If Meshtastic exists,

why do we still need LoRaWAN?

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Matthew breaks down the fundamental

architectural differences between the two,

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where each one excels

and why they're often misunderstood

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as competing technologies

rather than complementary tools.

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We also explore real world

trade offs around scale, battery

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life, infrastructure,

and then get into some forward

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looking ideas like bridging Meshtastic

and LoRaWAN for remote sensor deployments,

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and even using Lora based networks

in stratospheric and orbital projects.

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This episode is sponsored

by the Helium Foundation

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and is dedicated

to spreading knowledge about LoRaWAN.

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You can use the publicly available

global LoRaWAN and discussed

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in this episode through the Medio

Scientific Console to try it yourself.

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Visit metsci.show/console.

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Now let's dig into the conversation

with Doctor Matthew Patrick.

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Doctor Matthew

Patrick, welcome to the show, dawg.

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Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

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I'm psyched to talk to you.

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Every time I talk to you,

I learn something and be

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I am reminded of how

well someone can teach something.

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So I'm super excited for you

to come on here today

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and teach us a little bit about this

Meshtastic vs LoRaWAN business.

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Thank you for making the time.

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Yeah. Of course.

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Thanks for having me.

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So, basically what I wanted to talk about

today was this comes off of a talk

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that I gave at the helium IoT

working group a couple of weeks back,

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and it stemmed

out of a couple of conversations

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which are happened in community

more and more.

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And basically

the frame of the conversation

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is something along the lines of,

okay, we have this new project.

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It's an open source project.

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It's called Meshtastic.

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Why do we care about LoRaWAN anymore?

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And I think for a lot of reasons, the

I see why people start thinking this way.

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And I think that fundamentally

it's a little bit misguided.

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And so I wanted to take this opportunity

to go through a couple of,

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couple of examples of why

different Lora based technologies,

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they can solve similar problems

to what LoRaWAN solves,

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but it's not always exactly

the same thing.

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And in this case in particular,

there are drastically different use cases

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that they cover.

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There's also an opportunity for

some overlap here and some cool projects,

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but at the end of the day,

it's important to know, you know,

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if if all you have is a hammer, right?

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Everything looks like a nail.

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So it's important to know right tool

for the right job

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for anyone in the audience

who's not familiar.

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If you've been following Nick's podcast,

you know all about LoRaWAN,

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all about the industrial applications

that at the end of the day,

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it's the most basic level.

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What LoRaWAN is really about

is enabling order of magnitude

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thousands of sensors to communicate

using very low power over

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very long distances and send infrequent

small amounts of data to the internet.

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So we're talking things like temperature

sensors,

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trackers, impact sensors

that kind of thing.

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The design of LoRaWAN has always been

from the beginning to enable

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these industrial use cases,

and it predates Meshtastic by quite a bit.

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So what Meshtastic is, on the other hand,

is it's relatively new.

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So we're talking maybe five years ago

or so to the first real beta

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starting to come out personal messaging.

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It's not really a service.

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It's an open source firmware and software

and some devices

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that you can use to shoot text messages

back and forth over the same

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physical radio

that the LoRaWAN sensor series.

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And I think this is fundamentally

where a lot of the confusion can come in,

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because the devices that you use

when you're learning about

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LoRaWAN are oftentimes either

similar to or literally identical

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to some of the supported devices

that are used by the Meshtastic project.

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And what Meshtastic original mission

was, was to go and say,

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okay, we've got maybe five guys, ten guys

who are going skiing

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or hiking or paragliding

or anything like that,

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and we want to make it so that they don't

have to carry around walkie talkies.

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We want to be able to make it

so they can send short text messages,

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including tactical information

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like positions in particular,

but also maybe sensor data

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and text back and forth

without any underlying infrastructure.

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And in order to accomplish this,

they use a mesh

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algorithm,

basically where every node on the network.

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So every device that there's five guys

or has

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it could receive

and it can transmit packets.

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And if you've got a situation

where you've got to see

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two people who want to communicate,

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but they don't have a line of sight

to each other,

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maybe there's a hill in between

or something.

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What mesh tactic does is

it bounces the signal off any available

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intermediary node to get from A to B.

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Well, it does this really well.

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This is the critical difference

between Meshtastic and LoRaWAN.

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In LoRaWAN we have these things called

gateways, which are these big radios.

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They're connected directly to the internet

most of the time anyway, and they suck

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in all the packets that they can receive

concurrently across multiple channels.

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There is no relaying packets.

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The intention is that you

send one from your sensor.

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It goes straight to the internet.

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Dunn sensor goes back to sleep.

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This is done for two reasons.

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The first is to conserve battery life.

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You can't have in LoRaWAN

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anyway, a whole bunch of sensors

that are just on all the time.

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The point is, normally that you want

to put a battery in the thing,

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and then that's the battery

for the lifetime of the device.

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Or at the very least it's changed really.

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The second part is that in LoRaWAN

the focus is really on

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industrial applications.

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So we're talking like a warehouse

that needs to track a thousand assets,

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that kind of thing.

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Every gateway needs to be able to service

just an absolute ton of devices.

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And in order to do this,

you don't have this kind of inter packet

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relay

going on that you have in Meshtastic.

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The real limitation of a mesh system

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is that at the end of the day,

most of the devices have to be on most

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of the time because they need to listen

to relay the packets.

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This is absolutely perfect.

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If you've got,

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you know, a scenario like I outlined,

where you've got people who are hiking

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and they're just going to have

something in their pocket

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which is going to be on all day,

and then they'll recharge it

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or change the batteries at night.

No problem.

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When we've got devices

that need to be in the field

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for a super long amount of time,

like years, even, you can't

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you can't do this in the increasing range

that you get

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is outweighed by the decrease

in battery life.

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So there's kind of a kind of a trade off

here.

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There's one other really critical,

important difference, which is, you know,

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I mentioned that LoRaWAN serves

thousands of devices concurrently.

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Meshtastic.

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The big mesh infrastructure projects

that people have been setting up

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in their cities,

which are super cool, by the way,

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anyone who's interested

absolutely encourage you to take a look

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at some of the various open source,

Meshtastic maps

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that people have been putting up.

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The Bay area has an amazing

like multiple hundred node system,

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and they're using different

channels. It's super cool stuff,

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but the reason

that they're using different channels

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is because after you hit about 100 devices

or 200 devices or so,

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the mesh network starts to fall over

because people are just talking over

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each other all the time.

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You can picture being in a crowded room

if you've got ten people in there.

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It's not so bad to pick out

different parts of the conversation

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if people are speaking up all the time.

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But if you go into a place

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if you don't have some way

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to coordinate that traffic, it

just none of it gets to it.

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So the magic number for Meshtastic

is around 100 for LoRaWAN,

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because of the fundamentally different

design sits at around:

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Those are the two main differences

between the technologies that I wanted to.

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I wanted to kind of bring forward.

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That being said, there are some overlaps.

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There are some there's some definite

overlaps between the two projects.

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One of them is that

the hardware is nearly identical.

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A gateway is, notwithstanding,

a piece of node hardware.

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If you're familiar with lower Ram

and you want to explore Meshtastic,

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probably 90% of the time

you're going to be able just to drop

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the Meshtastic firmware

straight onto that thing and have it work.

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Check out Meshtastic.org

for a list of the supported targets.

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The radio is the same,

so it's really just a software difference.

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The other thing that I was hoping we could

maybe talk a bit about was how you build

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effective bridges between, you know,

these two communities there they have

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they have pretty different interests,

but they use the same hardware.

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And I've found personally

that they attract, similar like minded

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crowd of people. Right.

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You're you're radio enthusiasts.

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You're less on the industrial side

for Meshtastic, of course,

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but the people who are interested in

one tend to be interested in the other.

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And I'd be super, super interested

in your perspective on how you could maybe

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like, from a community perspective,

how we could bring more of these guys

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together instead of this perception

that we're fighting against each other?

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Yeah, I do see at first glance that

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there's like, oh, Meshtastic is better

than LoRaWAN or LoRaWAN is better.

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Like, it's just a maybe it's

what is really needed

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is more conversations like this.

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We say there's sources for courses.

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There's there's tools for jobs.

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And in some places

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if you don't have LoRaWAN coverage

and you're going backcountry skiing

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and you want to talk to your five buddies,

don't bother with the LoRaWAN.

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You know, if you're on the factory floor,

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we don't don't really need Meshtastic

there.

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Can you walk me through

a couple of these bridge ideas

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that you've

you've talked about in the past?

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Yeah. Sure thing. I'd be happy to.

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So one of them, and I think this is

maybe the most low hanging fruit

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is remote

sensor deployments like weather stations.

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So one of the really cool

applications of LoRaWAN

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that that I'm most familiar with is

you've got maybe an agricultural

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operation, a farm or something,

or you've got a bunch of sensors.

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To some description,

weather is a great example.

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You put them in a super, super

remote location where there is no internet

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nearby.

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Most of the time this is fine

if you use a network like helium,

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which has incredible or run coverage, odds

are you're going to hit a gateway.

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But if you're in a situation

where you can't, then things

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get exponentially more complicated

really quick.

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You've gotta find a way to get that

traffic off of RF and to the internet.

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The Meshtastic

can be really useful for this

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because the nodes are so low power,

generally speaking,

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that you can put a really cheap node

with a really small solar panel

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in the vicinity of your sensor, like say,

on the top of the nearby mountain

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or a nearby hill or a building

and relay that traffic using Meshtastic.

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And one of the things

I think could be really useful

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is if we could have a bridge that could

receive Meshtastic packets and say, hey,

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I got all these mesh packets. Here

they are from your sensors.

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Can I send that off? Over.

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Go learn Run Gateway

to get it to the internet.

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Meshtastic is out of the box.

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Not 100% optimized

for this kind of internet based traffic.

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They use an mQTT server,

but the traffic is

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largely unencrypted

or essentially unencrypted.

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Since everybody shares

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the same key on the public channel,

it ultimately can go off to the internet.

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But a lot of the nodes are configured

themselves to either not do that

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or to do it.

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Uplink only, which is a real difference

between the LoRaWAN infrastructure

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that, well, doesn't have an SLA

or anything

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is designed to do bidirectional traffic

to the internet.

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So I think it could be really interesting

if we could have a way

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to build LoRaWAN gateways

that could receive Meshtastic packets,

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so that if you're in

one of these situations

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where you don't

have a perfect line of sight to a sensor,

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you can maybe use this intermediary hop

in order to get where you need to go.

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That's one of them.

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The second one.

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And this this touches

a little bit on a talk that I gave to,

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the IoT working group a few weeks back. Is

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LoRaWAN

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networks

are growing, and they have this incredible

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global reach,

and they're all in the unlicensed stance.

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And there's this incredible opportunity

now brought on by companies like Space-x

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to do satellite projects,

which are inherently risky and expensive.

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But the price has been coming down

so much over the last few years.

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It's it's not even funny.

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There's a whole community of people who do

Lora based satellites using basically

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the ham radio frequencies on Lora point

to point project name is Tiny Gascon.

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It's for tiny ground station.

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It's really cool.

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And what what this community has done is

they've set up a bunch of receivers

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using Lora hardware.

Same kind of hardware.

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So you use on Meshtastic

or for a LoRaWAN node.

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But all that they do

is they receive packets

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from these low-Earth orbit satellites

people have sent out,

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and then they relay them to the internet.

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You know what

I think would be really cool?

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And what could be an interesting

opportunity to bridge these two worlds

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is if you had a satellite project that

implemented some version of Meshtastic,

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right now, aside from 1 or 2 long shore

commercial operations, Lacuna Space,

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this one of them, swarm, was before

they bought out by space.

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I don't know if it's still operating.

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The satellite constellations they use

Lora are either amateur satellites,

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the beacon only,

or they're these commercial things

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that haven't haven't

fully been implemented yet.

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I think it'd be really cool

if you could build a Meshtastic satellite

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that could relay traffic, but use LoRaWAN

for the distributed ground station

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for the downlink.

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And I'm working in the background

on maybe getting a project

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like that off the ground.

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I'm really excited about it.

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For listeners,

you might also be excited about that.

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Is there a good way for them

to reach out and contact you?

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Absolutely.

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So you can find me on the Helium Twitter.

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I'm a member of the IoT working group.

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Usually I'm hanging out on discord.

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You can always find me on

Nick Hawks Gristle Kings discord.

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My name is Star Watcher.

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Goes way back to my helium days.

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You can you can ping me over there.

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And if you see one of my testing

high altitude balloon projects

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beckoning weird things over Meshtastic

in different countries, then that's.

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That's probably me too.

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Yeah,

I probably should have started this off,

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but I always get so excited

just to basically listen to your dog,

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because tell me a little bit

about the helium or the LoRaWAN

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and Meshtastic work that you've done.

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So basically,

my background way back in the day was I

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did a lot of space physics research

using high altitude balloons.

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So stratospheric balloons that you would

you would send up,

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and then we would take X-ray pictures

of the northern lights.

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And my research was on mapping out

basically the number of the number of what

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and the number of particles that come in

and swirl around, and the northern

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lights over Canada, where I live,

the way I got involved in LoRaWAN

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was that we needed a downlink system

for all of these balloons.

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It's incredibly difficult.

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These things can fly for days.

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They can cover hundreds of kilometers.

It's a challenge.

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And while we were doing way back was

we were paying hundreds of dollars

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every single flight, use an iridium

satellite modem in order to basically make

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a phone call like an analog phone

call, and send data over it, which works.

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It functioned,

but more than half the power budget for

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this thing was taken up by that iridium

iridium satellite modem.

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It drew, you know, at around five volts,

easily a couple of amps, steady state.

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And so the the whole payload

was just lined with batteries, which,

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which were just to power this modem.

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And then I found

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and this was maybe around 2020

when things really started taking off.

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I found this project called helium,

which is Lower Man.

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And I hadn't heard of that before,

and I bought this board off.

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It was

I think it was a go team or something.

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One of the Esp32 Lora boards

everyone uses. Yep.

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And I was sending packets immediately

over like tens of kilometers

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within the city because the infrastructure

had been set up for it

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and it it cost pennies.

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So we switched over all of our flights

to these things, saved a ton of mass,

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really simplified the whole operation,

and saved a ton of cost as well.

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Just by using these Lora radios

and these distributed ground stations.

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So that's that's

kind of how it all got started for me.

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And then I took some of that experience

and spent some years working for helium.

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Now Nova Labs, helping

them build out their their infrastructure

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and do do the data science associated

with that.

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The Meshtastic stuff

came a little bit later.

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I was sitting having lunch

with an engineering friend of mine

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one day, and we we basically we said,

is there any reason that we couldn't have

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the equivalent of a small satellite either

running LoRaWAN or running Meshtastic,

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that sits at a constant altitude

and just goes from that and around

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and around the world,

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there are ways

that you can set these balloons up

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so that you don't you can't generally

get them back, but you can park them

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at 15 or so kilometers,

and they sit in the jet stream.

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And it turns out that this totally works.

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So I threw together a tiny Meshtastic node

that was solar powered and put it on.

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It's called a super pressure balloon.

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It's basically a take on a weather balloon

that it stops

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rising past a certain point,

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so it doesn't just go up, burst,

and then land,

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and you pick the thing up off the ground,

it gets stuck.

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It's a little tricky to pull off a lot of

a lot of variables to get exactly right.

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But when you do it,

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I think the record right now is

the guy's got one

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that's been going around the world

for over a year now.

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It's on its like 30th lap,

which is which is crazy.

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That's my Meshtastic one.

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We had launched it and it was

it was so disappointing.

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I was absolutely crushed by this

because this thing was so hard to build.

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Flight looked great.

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And then the antenna broke off

right after it got off the ground.

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And you can't get it back.

You can't really get it back.

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You get one one chance at this.

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So I, I tracked it for maybe 20,

30km or so

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and then then didn't receive the signal.

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I thought, well, that's, that's a wrap.

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And what am I going to do now? Right.

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But two weeks later,

I get a random message

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from somebody on Reddit

and they said, I don't understand this.

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There's this balloon with this weird name,

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and I think I called it

Kirby three Kirby the Pokemon.

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It just seemed to set right.

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Okay, needed a call sign for this thing.

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It was over the UK

and they had just received

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this random packet in the middle of the UK

on the right frequency,

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and it was relaying packets

from all over the place there.

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It was crazy because I sent this thread

and I said, oh my God,

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this is something that I set off weeks ago

and you're telling me it

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actually survived it actually worked

and it did even worth a busted antenna.

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Someone was able to pick it up,

which kind of got me thinking.

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If that little experiment works so well,

I wondered whether it would be possible

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to send more of these things.

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Like you could imagine

sending 10 or 20 of them.

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They're not very expensive,

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and trying to set up what's like,

what's the price of that thing

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all in, I mean,

including that the balloon is cheap.

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You get these things for $2.50

from Alibaba.

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These days,

the little balloons are nothing

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bored with the Raspberry Pi Pico

and then any off the shelf Lora chip.

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You know, 510 bucks.

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The tricky part was the firmware.

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So as this thing goes around the world,

right, it crosses different Lora regions.

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And so you need to be smart

about sending your frequency to the

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the new one that you

show up in based on the GPS.

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But once you've

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got that down,

it seems to work really well.

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And so have you sent up another one or.

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No, it was just too tricky to do it

the second time.

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We just haven't gotten to it.

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I have sent up two since then

and neither of them has worked,

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and I am 90% sure it's because I switched

to using a different Lora chip

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without a temperature compensated

oscillator, and I think it froze.

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But we're going to go back

to the old design

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and see whether we can get this working

with the new, new iteration of Meshtastic.

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And for this project in particular,

what I'd love to do is have two modes

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where the device boots up

when it gets some sun on the solar panels.

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It can be a Meshtastic repeater, but send

the downlink to laboratory over LoRaWAN.

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You know, use all of those base stations,

just like I did in the past to track it,

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and then maybe put it

on a community map or something

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so that people would know

where these things are,

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whether they could connect to them,

and they're up at 15km high.

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So it's 15,000m, let's see.

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And planes are flying at 35,000ft,

which is 10,000m.

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So these are well above

where planes are flying generally.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And that's that's one of the main concerns

when you're doing ballooning stuff.

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Right. It's worth

spending a couple of minutes on that.

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Back in the day when we were flying this

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with those iridium modems,

these things weighed kilograms.

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And it doesn't matter

where they are in the sky.

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You got to make sure that the airplanes

know where they are and how to avoid them.

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The cool thing about Lora and LoRaWAN is

how miniaturized you can make everything.

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The total mass of that one that I sent

it worked was less than ten grams.

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All what?

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Absolutely like negligible payload mass.

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You build these things stupid lights

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that you can hit that equilibrium

where that balloon doesn't pop.

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So it's it's really

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think of releasing a party balloon.

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That's that's more than what

this thing is.

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I think the other thing is,

and this this may

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help, is I've been looking at these

AR VR glasses.

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I ordered a pair of these Myntra

glass glasses.

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They have the camera and the microphone

on them and they're saying they're 49g.

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So I weighed my regular glasses

that I wear and they were 29g.

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And so what you're telling me is that this

thing that's doing all of this messaging

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is it travels around the world, weighs

less than a third of a pair of eyeglasses.

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Exactly, exactly.

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It's it's the hardest part.

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You've got to get the software right,

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but also the hardware can weigh

almost nothing.

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If you're going to do this

this long duration flight.

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So the risk of these things is is very,

very low.

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And the amateur radio

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guys have been doing this for years,

and there's never really been an incident

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except for one, you know,

haven't taken down a jetliner yet earlier.

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There's never

there's never been, closets of,

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you know, slamming into an airplane

or anything like that.

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But one was shot down and I actually knew

the guy who'd had that happen.

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So the amateur radio term for

these things is a pico balloon.

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It's just the canonical term

people have invented for it.

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This thing is made of mylar, which has

this metallic aluminum coating on it.

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So they're not impossible

to see the radar.

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And if anyone in the audience

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remembers a couple of years back, there

was this really cool Chinese spy balloon.

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It wasn't really a hoax. It was something

that was actually happening.

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So right off the tail of that,

there was this immense intrigue.

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Not really paranoia,

but I call it intrigue over,

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you know, mysterious balloons

showing up in the middle of nowhere.

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And there was this one,

there was a ham radio version of that.

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So it was sending telemetry out over

just HF, just tracking where it was.

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Flew over northern Saskatchewan, I believe

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it was one of the Canadian provinces

middle of nowhere.

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And somebody picked this up on radar.

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And the US sent in F-22 Raptor

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up to shoot this thing down

with Sidewinder.

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And they did. And that's very compelling.

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The way that this was figured out

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was that exactly the way

that this was figured out

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was that this guy was in our

Pekoe ballooning group CIO channel.

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They said, hey, guys,

something really weird happened.

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Like it was working great.

It was the middle of the day.

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And then here's

where the last telemetry was.

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As I'm someone just post a copy

of the news article that shows the X marks

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the spot where this airplane was the

that shot the thing down.

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I think we we probably used

maybe a $400,000 missile or something

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to blow up a ham radio balloon

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that may have cost the guy,

you know, in total, 10 or 20 bucks.

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That sounds like America,

if that is that historic conduct warfare,

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can you imagine working as,

you know, a pilot?

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I guess in the military, this is a

completely different world than I live.

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And and getting that call.

So please get going.

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We need to go and take care of a UFO.

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Go and go and shoot the thing

where you put slings and missiles

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that exact like, exactly like there are

there are worse things to do, I guess.

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No kidding.

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Well, thanks so much for coming on.

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It's always awesome to to hear it

so it's easy to get off on these tangents.

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And I know we're going to talk

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some more balloons off line here,

but thanks a ton for coming on and kind

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clearing up the Meshtastic versus

LoRaWAN debate.

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Thanks, dawg.

Yeah of course. Always a pleasure, Nik.

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